The Bhoga Case – The Video Story (updated 15th of July 2010)
15th of July
Another episode took place tonight in the silent Bhoga community (can you believe what these guys are doing?): Peter Jørgensen and another gorilla came on a motorbike and filmed all they could around the place (maybe sniffing some laundry? 🙂 i am saying this because they prove to have the same typical psychopathic behavior that is also leading to such actions). When they were spotted by someone who wanted to question them they left at high speed (as much as that pathetic motorbike can deliver). You can see a picture of them leaving after this new “adventure”.
An important reminder here is that they (Peter and Kim) are the ones who have been abusing the local police by misleading them with their false accusations of being beaten and abused in Bhoga. Then it was Peter “gorilla” Jørgensen who came like a coward the other day with a police escort to pick up his forgotten trailer parts, pretending that he doesn’t dare to come around. Now again he is the one sneaking around like a hormonal teenager, trying to provoke and harass the inhabitants. Isn’t that hypocrisy or i am over critical today? Anyway their actions show a certain desperation as they are not getting what they so eagerly want.
Let’s see if police will come tomorrow to Bhoga to investigate the case of hindering and abusing the film crew that was making a spiritual documentary in Bhoga 🙂 🙂 🙂
14th of July 2010
Even if it is unbelievable (for a person with common sense), Kim and Peter made a complaint to the police that they were aggressed and beaten in Bhoga!
These people definitely lack some elementary common sense but compensate it with their immense hypocrisy. Yet the story is even more incredible: the “brave” Peter came yesterday to Bhoga with police escort to recuperate the parts of his trailer he forgot in his last visit (when he illegally came to provoke people by dumping some dirt on the grass and to take pictures in the farm).
He could have just ask for it since nobody even touched it since he left Bhoga. But the policemen was Peter’s friend and this was an arrangement. Therefore the policemen was visibly troubled when asked for the legality of this action. He even aggressed the camera guy in an attempt to stop him from filming the whole action.
This action was supposed to give more credibility to the whole complaint that Peter and Kim made.(video coming soon here). And more, today the police came to Bhoga to investigate the “aggression” against Kim and Peter! After all these episodes of violence, provocations, people being physically and verbally threaten by these two Kim and Peter, NOW POLICE IS INVESTIGATING THEIR COMPLAINT! Even under the conditions that initially police came and even saw the video recording with the Kim’s last intrusion in Bhoga and decided to send Kim away, yet now another team is pretending never hearing about our story and starting an investigation.
When Bhoga inhabitants were making any complaint about the incredible acts of violence these two were doing, it was received with silence from the local police department, NOT EVEN ONE QUESTION WAS ASKED TO KIM. Of course this recent action shows how desperate is Kim to steal Bhoga from the spiritual community and how ready is he to use for this even the lowest methods (below the human level in my opinion). In his narrow view he is thinking that now, when the approach of the trial in the court, a running police investigation on Kim’s complaint will be an argument for Kim to play the victim and depict all the others that he cheated, lied and even physically aggressed as the merciless oppressors.
With a little help from the local friends in the police force he imagine that he can get along with this strategy. And who knows, maybe it will work in absence of a vertical attitude of all those that are involved.There is still a good part in all this: the two are coming to visit Bhoga with police (at least as long as they want to play this strategy) and people in Bhoga will not fear to find them sneaking around the house or sniffing the laundry ;).
2nd of July 2010
Peter Jørgensen came again to bhoga on 2nd of july to take pictures and further intimidate the people living there. Yes, the “chainsaw intellectual”, kim’s “gorilla”, the one who threatened people with the chainsaw a few weeks ago found as an excuse to come to bhoga a trailer full of dirt that he tried to unload right on the lawn of the parking lot!! Is that sane behavior??? We found him taking pictures and then starting to unload his trailer full of dirt right on the grass!!! In the beginning he was asked to leave but he started to threaten us with his normal bullying style.When told more firmly to leave otherwise his car may be damaged, he chickened out saying that he would call the police!
We invited him to call the police, knowing that he was not allowed to be on bhoga property in that moment. he chickened out again (he knew he is illegal on the premises) and after another firm request from us to leave immediately, he tried to attack me and the camera guy with a shovel. as you can see from the images the gorilla speaks many languages: ‘chainsaw’, ‘shovelian’ and also some local dialects
Yet when seeing that he is not producing the desired effect he left, forgetting in bhoga a part of his trailer and the shovel. this last fact shows again the strange attitude and state these people have when doing these actions.
If they had been normal people, they would have asked permission to come on the property – as the law requires – in order to bring something. instead this person was in a psychotic state (see videos), trying to show his “intellectual” muscles and scare the people around, a fact that was keeping him busy from remembering his tools when leaving.
Jokes aside, everyone can see from the video that he becomes uncontrollable and violent when he looses his temper, being a real danger for people around and for himself it is obvious that peter jørgensen needs professional help and assistance and should not be allowed to go in people’s homes like this, with tools like chainsaws and shovels and with a character and behavior (and intelligence 😉 ) like his, it doesn’t take a genius to foresee what can happen.
I hope those responsible for decision making will read these lines and see the images and take the necessary measures before some tragedy happens.
I want to thank all those who have visited this page in such big numbers and even started to send it to their friends.
It is a great help what you are doing and it is greatly appreciated by the yoga students and teachers who hold Bhoga community in their hearts.
Standing for the truth and human solidarity against terror and brutal force becomes a spiritual gesture in times like these. And this case becomes more and more symbolic of what happens sometimes on much larger scales…
PETER JORGENSEN TAKING PICTURES IN BHOGA, THE REAL REASON FOR HIS “CIVILIZED” VISIT!
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PETER JORGENSEN STARTING TO THREATEN US WHEN ASKED TO LEAVE. PLEASE NOTE THE STATE HE IS DISPLAYING!
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18th of June 2010
Since the “chainsaw action” of Kim Schmock and his “gorilla” peter took place last month, the bhoga community was two more times harassed by kim. This time he is just coming in the yard, looking through the windows and taking pictures (is he sane?). Yesterday he came again while i was in bhoga with some friends and we found him (together with another guy) in the parking area doing something at the cars???
We were firmly asking him to go away (he was supposed – according to the law he is so desperately trying to invoke – to give a two weeks notice before coming into bhoga) and he started his usual shouting and aggressive behavior. Getting more firm toward him and pushing him toward his car to make him leave the premises, he tried to hit me few times (nature protected me by giving me longer arms) making his friend shouting at him few times to stop! When he reached the car he locked himself in the car (was he afraid i will push him away from the car?)
And called the police saying that he was aggressed in bhoga ( 🙂 ) but we have all this on film, kim lying to the police while sitting comfortably in the car.
After that they left.but the story didn’t finish there! After midnight the police came in bhoga (is this normal? Or it was just kim trying again to put his misery on people’s life in bhoga?) Together with kim and wanted to check on all the people there because they received complaints from Kim! There must have been some big complaints since they came after midnight! In the end, after long talking with all the people and with some of our friends on the phone (that live in bhoga but were out in town) they left, but not before talking with kim in the parking (we heard it by chance 😉 ) and explaining that they find his claims very strange “because in the house they were nice and normal people” (as the officers put it) …. One can easily imagine what kim’s claims were since police came in the middle of the night in bhoga ! This was another series of harassment on bhoga community by Kim “schmollum”.
When will these actions against a spiritual peaceful community stop ??!
Can anyone do something about it?for those that read on this blog about the bhoga case here are some drawings that i received some while ago… They describe so well the whole situation…update 18th of may 2010: one of the reasons why kim came to bhoga on 13th of marchwas to bring some old furniture that he picked up from karsten fischer’s house and wanted to deposit in Bhoga. In this way kim wanted to prove his openness toward karsten fischer and together to try to sneack in some objects into some rooms there in order to later pretend that karsten was renting a room in bhoga. This new information shows the sleazy style of the kk team (Kim & Karsten) to cooperate in evil. They were once working together for the spiritual development and were standing for moral principles but now they are trying to steal the work all the team was doing in bhoga. Being given the style of these “intellectuals with chainsaws”, it is normal to disclose all their actions. To the society, they pretend being honorable persons, karten fischer having his teaching job in roskilde university (see here) and his consultancy jobs.
As for Kim, he is posing as a victim of the “evil sect” that was destroying his life (by not accepting his chainsaw proposals :)) for those that are new here i remind that karsten fischer is the guy that run away from the school after creating some severe personal problems to some of the students and then started a “sect-hunt” media campaign in order to clean his name from the past mistakes 
(a strategy very well known in politics as a way to clean the past: discrediting everyone that have to do with the dirty spots from the past. Obviously Kasten know very well this method as a political consultant for the social democratic party in denmak). He appeared in the media as the undercover witness “jesper” until we have disclosed his identity from several sources.
Later he participated in a trial against natha yoga center where he was changing his initial deposition (that was written by his own hand!) And lied in the court in front of several witnesses (read this article).
You can read more about this on the blog or see this lecture here.
13th of may 2010
Bhoga community was again aggressed by kim schmock and his bodyguard.
Here are new pics and video footage from this “chainsaw action” of harassment (yes, they were using chainsaws… See the videos below).
Again the authorities were just watching while this aggression was taking place and did not intervene!
Some time ago, drunkards with crowbars, led by kim, were invading bhoga community and beat the people they found there, destroying the goods they found, destroying the video camera (see the video in the end of this page, with the recovered pieces of film). Now there was a chainsaw action from the same team lead by kim! How many actions like this have to take place in denmark 
for the authorities to say stop?
It seems that the masonic connections that kim have through his lawyer into the local police leadership (connections that we already started to disclose) is working fine and this is the reason why the reports that were filed by bhoga residents were met with total indifference. That explains why he was protected instead of convicted.
I hope that the action of showing openly what happens in bhoga community will awaken more people and reactions from the ones responsible for the public order!
I will continue to post here images and findings about this case. Stay attentive!
Here are some pics that were taken in the middle of the action. There are also few clips that show the kind of “dialogue” these people understand to have. Judging after the “intellectual” look and “peaceful” attitude they have, everyone can guess their real intentions.
And of course police just make sure that kim’s “intellectuals” are cutting “peacefully” the gates of bhoga ashram with the chainsaws! The policemen first carefully make sure that the guy with the camera was send away (under the illegal abusive threat that he will be taken into custody at the police station) and then they were forcing the bhoga residents to go away for kim’s “academic” team to complete their “peaceful” job.
Please note that all the bhoga people are empty handed, and only stand in front the aggressors in order to peacefully make them stop…! In this videos and pictures you can see:
-one of the “academics” preparing to teach people in bhoga more of his “chainsaw wisdom”
-After cutting the gate with chainsaws, they are teaching a guy from bhoga a lesson of language (see the body language 😉 )
-the “academic” at work: peter jørgensen calling “bitch” one of yogi women that have the “karma” to be in that day in bhoga…
1. This is the language “lesson” from peter jørgensen, the one that claimed to come and teach a moral lesson to the yogis from bhoga.
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2. Maybe peter jørgensen is too modest and he doesn’t want people to see his “peaceful” and “intelligent” persuasion lesson.
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As i promised in the “who is jesper lecture?” – here is the videos clip which briefly presents the strange situations that have appeared in the bhoga case. Anyone can see the escalating violence that kim schmock is pushing against natha through the bhoga case.
Recently i was also informed that karsten fischer alias ‘jesper’ is already actively helping kim schmock in his insane campaign against his old friends.
I decided to post this video here for everyone to see the pressure these vengeful guys are making against the bhoga community and natha school by using extreme violence, thievery and lying in the court.
I announce here for the first time that they are trying to use some tricks in order to evacuate bhoga inhabitants against the courts decision, by creating a smoke screen. I hope that announcing this beforehand their plans will be foiled. You can find the danish version of this video clip here .
I hope that all the people who care for principles in life will take a stand to prevent further violence and to prevent this outrageous act of thievery carefully planned by this people who lost their temper for the possibility to gain some money.
The images speak for themselves and i invite you to comment here and even to suggest different solutions to this case.
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I’m glad to see the video story of the Bhoga case. It becomes very clear what is really going on in this case. I see clearly how Natha’s members are standing up for a principle and how Kim and his cohorts are doing exactly the opposite. He is one of the most cowardly characters I’ve seen, and I wonder how he can continue his charade. Any self-respecting human being in his situation would have surely woken up to himself by now, and seen how pathetic he had become. But now from what I’ve seen here in this video it’s clear he is beyond that. I seriously wonder what kind of a life he must lead living in such darkness. Even the way he looks and dresses is like one who has been taken over by some dark forces. Does he still feel and think like a human being I wonder? The whole Bhoga case really looks like a game, or should I say battle, between the good and evil forces, and it’s clear who is on which side.
So where to from here? What is the next step in the case? And how is Karsten Fischer helping Kim?
Hi Folks,
This story about the Bhoga case, Kim, and the chainsaw gang,is FAR OUT, something you might expect in Texas, not a sleepy looking place in the middle of Denmark LOL! But i want to know why it is possible for such a peaceful spiritual community to attract such violence? There must be some mutual karmic situation going on.
Good luck Bhoga community! May the force be with you!
Ed the Jedi
Hi Ed,
If we take a look in history we will can see that violent attacks on peaceful individuals or groups who work towards a higher purpose is nothing new, to remind you: Gandhi was assassinated, Jesus was hung on the cross, the early Christians were persecuted and many killed, and more recently the Falun Gong movement has been persecuted and terrorized (and there could be a lot more we don’t know about)
About karma,my understanding is that whatever ‘we reap, we sow’, maybe not immediately, but for sure our actions will will have reactions at some point.
Here is a quote from Gandhi “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always.”
Isobel
Mihai Stoian, everybody who had known you agree on one thing: your ability to lie in a nice way, and having some logic in your lies.
Beside that, you have paranoia about freemasons, you see them everywhere. Everytime something doesn’t come out as you wish…. it’s a “masonic connection”.
Look at your activity in the two countries you have lived, Romania and Danmark.
The same illegal busines, the same accusations against autorities in both countries Romania and Danmark. It is unlikely that the two autorities do the same “mistake” or have the same approach to you and your yoga school. It is, in stead, possible that YOU do the same doubtable activities in both countries. Does the following ring a bell?
1.Erotic video-chat and porn movies both in the name of “spiritual development” ? By the way: why don’t you pay the actors? Did you pay any taxes for the erotic video-chat
going on in Prema and Bhoga, Aalborg and Århus? You have some extra activities in
this two cities.
2.Yoga students working in black and donating around 80% of their income (karma
yoga?).
3.Tax cheeting the “stupid danish system” as you use to say. You always considered yourself smarter than the danes.
If the masons were against you, and taking in consideration what you did in Denmark…you’d be in jail by now. Wake up, your imaginary war with the freemasons, does not exist. The fact that you are free, is a proof that your war takes place on a fantasy field.
@ ralf
i let your post (even if full of attacks and lies that are also … off topic) because you remind me about “Jesper” 😉 and here is an answer. It is long one but i hope you will have patience to read it. Next time you write please consider what i answered because you will not be able to post more attacks here.
You start by saying
This is from the start an attempt to manipulate the opinion of the readers because it contains a forced generalization (“everybody who had known you”) and also the attempt to create – for the ones that don’t know me – the impact of the group opinion (“everybody… agree on one thing”). These are two classic manipulation techniques that are applied only when you try to impose your opinion without having any valid arguments.
This is also showing that your purpose is not to address the people that are students in the school but others that are reading this blog. In this way you are showing (without knowing that you do it ;)) a plan to attack me rather than having just a reaction to what you saw here, in this article about Bhoga. You are trying to make an impression on people that don’t know me and use for this classic manipulation techniques. At least be honest and say it. Nasty boy 😉
The statement
is also another forced generalization. For instance, I don’t see the freemasons as the ones that are bringing spirituality in the world, i don’t see them in the process of curing the ignorance in the world, i don’t see them in the process of taking care of the planet (just to give you some examples). As for the involvement of the freemasons into the world politics and power structure, there are big names of the world who were disclosing this reality (just take a visit to the national library and you will be amazed). I bet you consider yourself above these people 😉 … no wonder why you are so angry saying
Are you the smartest person on earth? (oops .. forced generalization?) If you are then you are also above all danes.
Then you come with the first real “pearl” in your post:
What is that doesn’t come out as i wish? The “chainsaw action” is something that doesn’t come out as i wish?:) This is a stupid action and i was only presenting it as such. How come that you are not commenting anything about this since you are writing under this article? Are you in the gang that was attacking Bhoga? Are you one of the people that consider that aggression is the solution when you have something to say but you don’t have any arguments?
The fact that Kim’s lawyer is in masonry and have tight connections with the police chief that was responsible for police ignoring Kim’s aggression is more than a coincidence. At least for me. If for you, seeing in a line of significant “coincidences” a pattern is paranoia then you must live a very sad life surrounded by chaos (which you ignore and paint in the colors of happiness). Beside this, you have to know (cause maybe you are not informed) that this method was used by the people that were making science on this planet. Indeed sometimes the findings are not on our likeness and then we claim that it was all just a coincidence. But this doesn’t deny the reality as it is.
It is also interesting that you are not disturbed at all by vandals attacking a spiritual community under police’s nose, but you are instead maximally irritated by disclosing the possible masonic connection in this. This is showing that you are either a mason (take care that writing here is forbidden in your brotherhood 🙂 🙂 🙂 ) or you are a fanatic defendant of the “consensus reality” that is afraid that if something is proven wrong his reality will also suffer (i incline for this version).
At least you can say your opinion about the fact that Kim is beating his former colleagues that were never doing anything against him. It seems that this is normal for you?
Then, after you have made these “hooks” in the mind of people, you come with the juicy part of your post where you try to prove something in a logical way. But your logic is severally flawed, in fact it almost doesn’t exist at all.
FOr starters you try with the “illegal business” story because this is scary for people today and you hope to get along with this. But you are making some mistakes:
1. The authorities in Denmark never attacked NATHA. In fact they are supporting activities in NATHA and they have given a clear reply to the media attacks that there is nothing illegal in NATHA’s activity! As a proof of this is the simple fact that they continue to support NATHA OFFICIALLY. I bet you already knew about this but suddenly you have a memory failure. Never mind, this is what friends are for: to remind you the things you wanted to forget 😉 . But lets use the same argument that you tried to force in here. You will be surprised what logic can reveal when correctly applied: there is the same “mistake” that in Romania and Denmark is done against the school. But in Romania the yoga school was attacked by the authorities and in Denmark the yoga school was attacked by the media. Considering the fact (easily known if you go a little on the net) that in Romania the occult power is involved into the state apparatus and in Denmark this structure (the occult power) is mainly dealing with the media … Beside that, reading what the media was saying in Denmark about NATHA you will discover (but you already know this ;)) that all the sources were THE FILES PRODUCED IN ROMANIA! Let’s add to the input data the fact that Romania is the country with the most files lost in European Court For Human Rights and it is also having a “red flag” on Justice from EU council.
Moreover, the first trial that was against Grieg in Romania just ended PROVING GRIEG’s INNOCENCE after a lot of international pressure to have a fair trial and after Grieg was granted political asylum in Sweden (which was also an important signal for Romanian authorities to behave and give a fair trial).
Blending all these arguments in a logical way (in the way you wanted Ralphie) it comes out that the occult power was attacking MISA yoga school in romania using all the state apparatus because there it was possible there. Then, when they wanted to attack another genuine spiritual school from the same system of teachings (NATHA in Denmark) they were using the specific local instrument that they have easily access to, which was the media in Denmark;). Isn’t it amazing what correct data and logic can reveal?
2. you take out of the closet the “erotic movie” subject even if it was debated even here on the blog for hundred of posts. Beside forcing this identity between a private company (Sublime Erotica) and the spiritual school, beside forcing a judgement that is not valid for everyone about these movies (the pornographic aspect that is only in the mind of some 😉 ), you are also making some stupid mistakes: erotic chat in Bhoga??? you mean erotic video chat with chainsaws and crowbars? :):) Or such activity in Prema where people are living? I also want to inform you that we don’t have anymore a school in Aalborg. Why so many mistakes when you want to make a point? Is that just a coincidence that you are lying?
3. The yoga students that are working black in Denmark must be very skillful so that they are making the money. And you fantasize about them donating 80% of their income to the school. I must admit that you are more optimistic than everyone in natha. It is true that everyone is invited to help in the school with anything they can and some (very few!) are donating some money … but 80% of their income… this is science fiction. I remind you that there are sects in the world where people are donating 10% of their income and they are EXTREMELY REACH. We must be fabulously reach with 80% of people’s income 🙂 🙂 🙂 you are far out. And also you show bad intentions by trying to suggest (by placing this donation line under the argument “taking in consideration what you did in Denmark”) that making donations to NATHA is a bad thing, it is something for which
Why trying with such desperation to prevent people to help the yoga school by making donations for the projects there and scaring them away with the forced association between donation and jail? But you already know the answer to this question 😉
4. As for the cheating of the tax danish system, last time i’ve checked there was no accusation about this on my name. Do you think that the danish tax system is stupid? If they knew about this how come that i am not under their attention? And another aspect that you have to think about: how can someone cheat a system he doesn’t know? and even to have so much success that the system doesn’t find out when cheated? Because i don’t know how the system works here, i only follow its rules that are for every citizen. Either you again believe that it is a stupid system that can be cheated by someone without knowledge (but i thought i was the one saying that is a stupid system according to you??) or you are the stupid one that make logic mistakes. Choose which version suits you better.
And you couldn’t help and ended with a logical mistake that dwarf all the others. What do you say about the following to quotations:
and then you conclude, victoriously defeating your own logic:
Seeing how you broke some rules here i will explain this flow in your logic so that you can understand what i mean:
If i am just a paranoiac that see freemasons everywhere, then they are not everywhere! And if they are not everywhere than they cannot put me in jail NO MATTER WHAT I DID. If they are so powerful and so much involved in the state that they can put me in jail if i have a war with them then … i am not paranoiac. As you can see (i hope you have the patience to read so far because the way you write you don’t seem having patience to read even one more time what you wrote) there is a severe logical failure in your message. Maybe that is why you are starting with the envious observation:
I will end here this long reply with the conclusion that you can make a great benefit by reading more what people are saying here on this blog because there are very coherent and interesting perspectives that you can rarely find in many places in one place. If you want to be part of this group here please come with common sense and intelligence and not with manipulation of information and false accusations.
What a hilarious story, how could anyone take it seriously!!! It should be placed in the joke section – ‘Armed Gorillas attacking yoga students!’
This has all the signs of a free masonic generated attack, especially if the authorities are just letting it happen. Those poor guys in the pictures and the clips are just the tools of other ‘not so elevated forces’. I agree what others have mentioned about karma, and these guys will have their ‘comeuppance’,whether it be ‘here and now’, or later, it will come!
@Ralf
With your first sentence “everybody…agree:your ability to lie” you start with a technique of manipulation. I know Mihai quite well and I know he is an honest person, so you are lying when you say “everybody … agree”!!! I don’t agree and I know many like me.
Are you joking: erotic video chat in Bhoga? Maybe some erotic movements with chainsaw cutting the main entrance?! Or you didn’t see the pictures and the movies from above?! Or you made the comments blindly?!
About these students which donate 80% of their income…wow! I would very much like to see them! Can you give some names, maybe i can meet the heroes?! I was in Natha for many seminars and never heard about this. Is true that are lots of yogis doing voluntary work but is totally different story. I did it myself but … is that something for which Mihai have to be out in jail? I hope you are just disturbed by the freemasons story otherwise such concept need some … professional help
If Mihai succeeded to cheat the danish tax system that means the system is really stupid ;).
You said: “You always considered yourself smarter than the danes”. That means you consider yourself stupid? But i am thinking you (…. censored by admin.…)
You contradict yourself: in the beginning you denied the “masonic connection” and in the end you said “if the masons were against you”. So you admit the implication of freemasons in other things!!! Where is the logic in it??
So long, you funny thing, life is more challenging and “interesting” with people like you around…
@Ralf
The topic of this thread is the assaults and harassments against the people in the Bhoga Community. If you want to make crazy accusations against Mihai Stoian’s private life, I’m sure you will find a better place.
Let’s stick to the subject! (Anyway; Mihai Stoian in an erotic video-chat – come on, would people pay to see that??!) 😉
I think we should focus here on the fact that Kim and his hired muscle are acting violently to a degree that would be deemed very criminal in most countries. But here in Denmark he is let on the loose to follow his violent nature and the police doesn’t do anything – which sounds like the police would have an interest in to Bhoga being dissolved.
The whole case sounds very peculiar to me – I will follow it closely
@ralf and co
Have you and your conspirators (that small group that has a personal grudge against Mihai) put down your chainsaws in the attempt to attack Mihai through this medium, well to quote an English author “The pen is mightier than the sword”, and it is clear who is mightier here (you just need to look at the articles on this blog, and the countless lectures and courses he has written to know who is the superior person- acting for the benefits of the others and not himself!).
Your petty attack does nothing more than show ‘everybody’ that you are desperate and that you do not know the man that you make such defamatory accusations against. Think about it. isn’t it a superior being who would publish on his own blog and in an uncensored way the kind of potentially damaging remarks you made, no one can take you seriously.
P.S – Who cares if he was ever involved in erotic movies etc – is it illegal?
Logically speaking to attack people with a chainsaw and call them derogatory names, and to threaten them in their homes, does that not warrant some police intervention? It is illogical to me how the Danish police allow this to happen, the only reasoning i can find is that there is a higher structure orchestrating this flagrant negligence.
“Iarta-i Doamne ca nu stiu ce fac!” Cu aceste cuvinte,Isus a inscris “Legea iubirii divine” in sufletele noastre,sacrificandu-se pe Sine.Un sacrificiu necesar.
Dar fratilor, tot Isus ne-a invatat ca iubirea si compasiunea se pot manifesta si prin fermitate, chiar aspra uneori. Atitudinea non-violenta pasiva, este aproape o invitatie la escaladarea violentei de catre agresori.
Kim si lacheii lui sunt niste sarmane suflete ratacite in infern care urla disperate dupa lumina care sa ii calauzeasca spre Cale.Durerea lor se vindeca numai cu multa dragoste si compasiune.Sa ne gandim cum am proceda daca un frate sau fiu,cineva foarte drag noua,intr-o buna zi ar fi posedat de entitati infernale si s-ar porni cu violenta aberanta impotriva noastra.Il iubim, el este in sufletul nostru si totusi uite,ne loveste, ne insulta si vine cu drujba impotriva noastra.Suntem socati, nu ne vine sa credem, pentru ca il iubim si e unul de al noastru.Ce sa facem ca sa ne aparam? Dar mai ales ce sa facem ca sa il salvam? Asa am gandi mai ales: cum sa il salvam.E glasul iubirii si compasiunii care ne indeamna sa simtim asa.
In primul rand un asemenea suflet ratacit trebuie oprit cu fermitate.De exemplu, politia olandeza foloseste tunuri cu apa ca metoda non-violenta de imprastiere a maselor de huligani.Daca la Bogha exista un hidrant, ar trebuii folosit. In acelasi timp eu nu stiu cum gandesc fratii care se lasa calcati in piciore, ei si iubitele lor,in propria lor casa,in numele non-violentei, dar eu am convingerea ca daca in casa la mine ar patrunde huligani sa imi insulte sotia si sa imi sperie copila, unde as pune eu mana sa ii dau afara, ar pune si Dumnezeu mila. Si daca ar fi multi mi-as mai chema si prieteni. Iar la urma ne-am aseza in meditatie sa ne rugam pentru sufletele lor.
Si asta ma duce cu gandul la cel de al doile lucru important care consider ca ar trebuii facut:
sa ne rugam cu totii constant si cu iubire pentru acest suflet ratacit, Kim. Sa ne deschidem sufletele larg si sa il rugam pe Dumnezeu sa reverse oceanul de iubire divina prin sufletele noastre catre sufletul ratacit al lui Kim si sa il iubim ca pe noi insine. Sa il iubim in suflet asa cum il iubim pe Dumnezeu, dar sa il oprim cu fermitate si asprime in plan fizic, atat timp cat se manifesta demoniac. Poate ca acesta este modul in care Dumnezeu vrea sa ne invete lectia iubirii divine, invatandu-ne sa ne iubim dusmanii. Eu cred cu tarie ca cine invata sa isi iubeasca dusmanii, il va cunoaste pe Dumnezeu, caci numai Dumnezeu este nepartinitor in a ne iubii pe toti deopotriva.
Cu toata dragostea fratesca, voua tuturor deopotriva! 😀
Iubirea lui Dumnezeui fie vesnic in sufletele noastre!
P.S. Propun un tapas (scurt pt inceput)timp de 7 zile, de 7 binecuvantari (sincere!) pentru Kim, incepand de saptamana viitoare, de Tripura Sundari. Pt cei care vor sa il faca la uison, propun ora 6:00. In felul acesta fiecare zi va incepe pentru Kim, sub influenta gratiei divine. Cu doar 12-15 minute pe zi, de efort spiritual, putem lucra activ la risipirea violentelor indreptate impotriva noastra, la Bogha. Si in plus va fi un eficient exercitiu spiritual de a trai prin experienta directa starea de iubire divina asa cum este manifestata de Dumnezeu, nepartinitoare si in egala masura fata de intrega creatie.
@ constantin
Trebuie sa fii atent cu actiunile ferme pentru ca ele sa nu poata sa degenereze in actiuni agresive (adica pentru a nu incalca principiile morale). Cu toate acestea este foarte adevarat ca fermitatea este uneori foarte necesara pentru a face o lectie inteleasa.
Daca ai sa citesti postarile de pe pagina de inceput “in the beginning” vei gasi acolo chiar si postari ale lui Kim si vei vedea ca a fost intampinat atat cu fermitate cat si cu iubire. Totusi alegerile lui au fost acestea.
Ar fi util sa postezi si in engleza deoarece sunt foarte multi oameni care citesc acest blog si care nu inteleg romaneste… multumesc si bine ai venit aici.
A few years ago i came to a camp in Bhoga, it changed my life! On the surface it was a small farm in the middle of Denmark, the living conditions were not ideal; sleeping in a tent in the cold and rain. But once i had overcome some personal obstacles, i allowed myself to be taken into the ambience of the camp and i was transported into paradise, for those 10 days i was at Bhoga i was in a utopian world of love, harmony, giving, togetherness.
As i write i am remembering clearly the minute details of being there, even down to the food, i can smell the fresh bread that was made every day by a girl called Zina, i can see us all together eating in the courtyard- 100’s of people from different parts of the world together getting to know one another becoming a big spiritual family! We practiced yoga and meditation together, we had lectures and entertainment nights, also a very special initiation. I remember the whole place was buzzing with life activity, colour and happiness. I also remember the guy Kim, he gave me a lift in his car, he was very nice to me, he was quiet, but kind and attentive.
To see the situation there now it is extremely saddening, i can see in the picture the courtyard where we ate together, and the main entrance how the door has been cut. It is such a shame that others are being denied the chance to have these profound and life changing experiences.
I wish this situation to be solved in the most harmonious way and in an ‘utopian’ world for Kim to also remember that wonderful man he was in that period.
Mihai,
I kindly ask you to help me to understand and clarify some aspects.
I was all my life a vital person.I had some problems with digestion time to time but in the lasts years I encounter many digestive difficulties. That means I can eat only a little amount of food. For this reason I become skinny.
I practice uddhyana, nauly and other asanas for awakening manipura but I still not solved the problem.
If I practice mayurasana I became very nervous and irritated.
I practiced every day 2-3 minutes nabhi asana during lasts 3-4 weak but i have should been stop because i got stomachal pain.
The digestion is even slowest now.
How can I improve ?
Thank you!
I also have some wonderful ‘memories of Bhoga’.
When I first came to Bhoga in 2004 it was for the Summercamp. I was so deeply touched by those 2 weeks of spiritual experiences that I decided to live in Bhoga. Then Kim was the ashram leader and he was very passionate about building up a spiritual community there. I heard him speaking about how he had helped in the purchasing of Bhoga but that he didn’t expect anything in return for this, it was donated. Together with his girlfriend Helle he was a very active member of the community, and motivated us to work together for this common spiritual goal. At one point he even encouraged each of us to write down our personal vision for Bhoga and he was making a synthesis of all these visions. However this synthesized vision never saw the light of day, in hindsight perhaps it was because he didn’t truly share the vision of the other people living there, he knew he was a fraud.
I’m sorry that Bhoga has ended up in this state, but I also see how this current situation is needed for the people in the school to clarify some issues inside of themselves. It seems that the ‘Bhoga effect’ has highly purifying properties, bringing to light all which has been hidden until now, and leaving nowhere for the ego to hide, no matter how hard some of us try!
@ ralf
man, it is clear that you have something with these guys and especially with mihai. your post is full of anger and stink of inferiority complex. i think mihai gave you a great honor to answer in such detail (man, i was amazed) but i bet you don’t care. why don’t you go in peace and live your pathetic life somewhere else because this place is for grown-ups and not for kids?
@ mihai and everyone else
what if you publish here the address where this scum-bag Kim lives so that some of the people that read and see these images can give him also some “friendly” visits and redecorate his house a little with a chainsaw? will that not be a fair treatment?
don’t get me wrong, i am not for violence but what i see here is completely insane! peaceful people attacked in their home by some gorillas with chainsaws and nothing is done?? and you must be kidding with the karsten story!!! after i read all about him on your blog i was mad! after all this guy did to you, you didn’t do anything against him??? what are you doing, a contest with angels?? you want a quick promotion to heaven and you try this??
well, better wake up before these people will take your keyboard and the chair you sit on, pretending that its theirs 🙂
now putting jokes aside: i challenge everyone with common sense who read here on this blog to spread the word about this “bhoga community” and its situation so that we rise all people that care for spiritual brothers and sisters that are mistreated and stop these morons kim&co from their destructiveness. I found the story of the whole case here and you can read it and give it to all your friends:
http://www.natha.net/bhoga/
LET’S SHOW THESE REDNECKS THE POWER OF BRAIN OVER CHAINSAW.
i found this link to the BHOGA STORY much better to give around because it goes straight to the point!
http://www.natha.net/bhoga/en/history/background/bhoga-case-background.html
May the goodness and common sense prevail!
(apologize for posting the same comment on the wrong page… delete the first one)
@ carbon12
I will not do more than disclose the lies and felonies that Kim and Karsten are doing because this is the only think which is not breaking the spiritual principles that i live for. Even if they have attacked me personally and the spiritual school also several times, i understand their inner limitations and therefore i feel a deep compassion for them. Knowing how much one have to work spiritually to eliminate the consequences of one state of hate or anger or cowardice, i cannot put on their shoulders more than their own mistakes because they are anyway many. Disclosing their mistakes is also serving for many others that will learn from them and will also help them at least by making them think a little before doing the next step.
As a proof that this method is working (at least in some respects) you have to know that more people like you are reading this blog and the video with bhoga and the part of the “who is Jesper” lecture are the most viewed on this site. I know that some poor-minded people will argue that disclosing Kim’s and Karsten’s mistakes will hurt them, but everyone can see that hiding their mistakes will in reality hurt their soul by letting their ignorance grow deeper. Therefore it is better to disclose their mistakes and to protect their soul from their ego then to hide their mistakes and protect their ego.
In these conditions i don’t think they will come to take my keyboard and chair at least for the reason they will not need them.
i thank you for the vertical attitude (and the quick action) here and i wish you to succeed in gathering more people to show “THE POWER OF BRAIN OVER CHAINSAW”.
From this latest episode with Kim it seems like he’s really lost it. What kind of person behaves like that?! Like you say Mihai, is he sane? I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures, and what a sad example of desperation Kim has turned out to be. If you’re reading this Kim, seriously, take a look at yourself man. Ups! Man has become an over-statement in your case..petty thief, criminal, liar, backstabber, thug and traitor are more accurate ways to describe the Kim of today. Which is a sad reality, but the reality nonetheless. Wake up Kim! Before it’s too late.
I agree with you completely Charlotte!
How is it incredebly sad that a person can fall so low. I remember Kim as a much more decent guy, to experience his behaviour now so close and how he also sneaks around Prema taking fotos disturbing people living there (who many of us by the way used to work for the spiritual community in Bhoga to have Nathas activities blossoming here) – it is really shocking to see how he became now. If i wouldn´t experience and see these things myself i don´t think i would have believed my ears if i was told. Kim you should really consider what kind of being you have become!
What the fuck is the problem with this guy? I get so angry reading these things. Mihai, if I were you, this guy would be already having some bruises. Don’t get me wrong, i am generally against violence, but people have the right to protect themselves and to fill safe in their own homes. And some people just don’t understand anything else then force. If you like, i could come over and give a hand in bhoga, in case that this asshole comes again.
@ Jens
Kim is trying to get the names of all the people that are visiting Bhoga in order to use them in the trial with all kind of formal strategies to win the trial and steal the farm from its rightful owners. He was even trying to convince the police officers to give him the names of the people that were found in the house few nights ago when they came. The attitude he is showing now is the attitude of a thief that is only making his plans for the big pot and doesn’t care about any values or principles anymore. It was a time when these things were important for him but the degenerative process in him was leading to this stage. These mistakes he was repeatedly doing were making him become like a hyena that is eating corpses and sneaking in the darkness. If you want to help with the Bhoga case you are anytime welcome to come by and give a hand. And send the link to the story to all your friends because this will prevent Kim for further actions without being violent like him.
And the BHOGA MOVIE is the most viewed video on this site now! Second as popularity comes the Karsten “Jesper” Fischer part of the “Who is Jesper” lecture 😉 . It seems that they have a lot of friends now…
This guy kim is obviously disturbed. Just look at his face! And the drawings are excellent and serve the purpose. I was sending them out to friends and ask them to send it around. There are some people i know in demark that are very interested in finding out about the bhoga situation and i was glad to read the success of the bhoga movie. It shows that people become more interested and want to help.
First time i’ll be in Denmark i’m definitely visiting this place and maybe pay a visit to kim too (a friendly chainsaw visit 😉 because i am still searching for the address).
The other guy in the picture seems rather scared than involved in the debate, maybe kim was using him as a “human shield” in order to pose in a victim now.
Anyway the story becomes very interesting since the debate seems to be formality versus reality. Who will win: the law or the justice? 🙂
Please keep us updated.
I did know Kim, some many years ago. He was a nice man and he took good care of Bhoga and the people living there. He wanted to build a true spirituel community and he was devoted to doing so. But I think that there was some pretense going on even then, and the scoundrel that he’s become was simply lying in wait during all those years. It makes me think how easy it is to get swept up into something in life, and to think you want it and it makes you happy but in reality part of you is not ready or happy with this quite yet. (I have noticed that even in the spirituel life there is a kind of peer pressure, and people always want to do what’s ‘right’.) So if we ignore those parts of us that are not ready for whatever it may be – be it spirituel life, a career, family etc – and we don’t deal with it, it will anyway come out eventually. And when what we have buried or ignored comes out it certainly ain’t pretty. From what I understand and see of the Bhoga story and Kim’s situation, this is a classic case of such a reality.
And I agree with Carbon,
http://www.natha.net/bhoga/en/history/background/bhoga-case-background.html
is an excellent summary on the Bhoga case.
V.
I think we should send this link (from veritas) to as many people as possible and start a protest action against kim. However this could be! Kim how can you turn from all the values you used to (apparently) treasure, and work with and for a spiritual beacon of light, a place that made room for so much transformation and happiness to many people – and go as low as becoming a violent beast? We where working together Kim! For years!! – and now i am not feeling to use my own name on this blog writing anything to you cause God knows what that could bring with it. It is still a deep enigma too me that you fall so low and to lie so great – to yourself and everyone around you. But it is so obviously lies and this together with your violence is so so sad. I feel sorry for you – you must be very empty having left a life of so rich opportunities and being among many loving people – to this pittiful state of trying to destroy what you yourself together with those people sought to build!
Dear Lene, Veritas, Carbon – and everybody interested in Bhoga case
yes indeed its sad what Kim turned into, but I stongly belive that Natha will win the ownership case and it will make us stronger and gather us to unite us even more, soon the ownership case will come up and we will all of us face Kim in the trial and tell to him and the judges there how Kim was acting so friendly and helpful, – even going in front inviting everyone to do karma yoga for Natha in Bhoga.
He even kept meetings saying that the biggest goal of the ashram (it must be in 2004) is to pay off all the depts and then give the keys to Natha – he said many other things during the years when everyone of us knew that he just put his name on the contract on behalf of Natha. Indeed he did borrowed to Natha a downpayment of about 150.000 for the purchase of the farm, even though in one summer camp (I belive it was the one on 2002) he stated in front of about 100 people in the yogahall that this amount he wanted to donate to Bhoga for investments – he also repeadedly during the years even insisted to hurry up the transfer of Bhoga to Natha because he did not like that officially he was the one having the financial responsability for the place.
When then he finally went to his accountant to find a solution, – a way of doing it, then it seems that the accountant gave him other thoughts than being honest and reliable.
Anyway it is very good that all the people that were in all the karma yoga weekends and in all the camps will remember and support this court case until its final act and Bhoga will be again a silent place of spirituality without the aggressions of a strange thief like Kim.
In this way he will not get away with his lies and attemps of thivery
together we will winn and honesty will prevail
love and aspiration
Optimist
Pathetic Kim! You’re pathetic! Get a life would ya!!
Oh man, thanks for the laugh… The monkey grinder sent the monkey to do his dirty work, next time he should consider sending someone who at least has the intelligence to remember to take his weapons home, and realize that he is the one in the wrong! Look forward to the movie!
I am amazed that the situation in Bhoga can take such a hilarious turn..
How can any man involved in a court case behave in this completely ridiculous way? From what I read I can only see Peter as a little boy who got caught playing in the neighbor’s garden and ran away, leaving his toys behind. I cannot wait to see the video!
My only regret is that he did not dare to call the police..What would he have said to them, since he was the only one breaking the law..? The situation would have been even more ridiculous..
Dear Peter, grow up! Until then we cannot help but laugh at such pathetic attempts.
Yes Peter is a chicken, this was all the time obvious from the videos. we have a saying in danish: “tomme tønder buldrer mest” (the empty cask makes the biggest noice), It was all the time obvious that Peter is screaming very loud, but he doesnt have the guts.
why else should he be to afraid to call the police
why else should he forget his things? – because he was too scared to remember them.
when will he realise that this fight is not for him?
Or maybe he got something in it – wonder if Kim is paying him for this?
Frank
Dear Mihai,
When i first read this story i found it funny, I saw Peter nothing more than a poor disabled guy doing Kim’s dirty work (literally). However i just watched the short clip now, i felt a shiver run through me, this man looks like he really could loose it and become physically violent. I feel sad that you are in a situation where you have have to waste your time with such clowns and also be in potential danger. I do not understand why a spiritual teacher has to go through this, please can you tell me what is the meaning? Is it your karma or karma combined with the people around you?
Isobel
@ isobel
dear Isobel, everything happens for a reason and we are constantly learning from all these events. I am sure that this event (and others in my life) are meant to teach me something (or many things) therefore i am very attentive to learn these lessons. If it is the result of a karma or just the manifestation of Dharma is hard to tell and it will not be relevant for this discussion here because anyway it is a personal matter. But the attitude that i have while the events happen is in fact making the big difference. Maybe it seems threatening for you but for me the attitude of Peter was just the attitude of a schoolboy that is rebelling against the teacher when caught without homework. This is also the reason why he previously appeared to many people as being a threat and when i told him to leave Bhoga, after his little ego-noise, he left in a hurry even without taking his tools with him. And while this incident happened i have the chance to check practically some methods that i knew about and i didn’t have many occasions to try in the daily existence.
And what DaveTS said is completing my opinion very well: when good is made some evil is attracted as well in the area. In Bhoga we were always doing exactly what was promised from the beginning: developing spirituality in many ways, following the adventure of the spirit to its heights. And this is attracting the thief, the envious one, the ones that are disturbed by our silence, etc. But in a mysterious way i can see that these people are always carrying a secret spiritual message for us and teach us a lesson every time they come, even if that lesson is the lesson where we take a stand and do not let them come. One cannot conclude that all the evil that happens to us have to be allowed because it is a lesson. In the same mysterious way that evil carries a secret spiritual lesson with it, the lesson is to defeat that evil and learn to stand straight against it, without being tempted by its presence in any way. And this is a spiritual lesson too. Seeing and understanding this i see no problem on such situations and also see no problem when the Bhoga case will be solved and Natha will rightfully continue its activity there without Kim or Peter to come around…
I want to follow on the last comment, and ask you to explain the mechanisms behind the persecutions of spiritual communities, some face extreme torture and violence (such as Falun Gong),it seems you and your school are persecuted on many different levels. And as you so openly update us, it would also be good for you to let us know why these things happen and to get a more spiritual/esoteric explanation, (as for sure if we read about these strange occurrences that keep happening it would also be good to have an understanding why they happen.) If you have already explained these things please give us a link to them or better give a summary, for the benefit of all the people who come here, especially the new ones.
Thanks
Hi Grace,
Persecution of the good and light is not a new thing, you just have to look at the persecution of Jesus and his disciples and then thousands of Christians after he died to see that with good, light and beauty comes the other-side of dark, evil and ugliness, why this is I do not know and I too would be interested in the esoteric explanations. For now I recommend you take some time to watch the Jesper lectures: http://www.mihaistoian.net/category/recent/new-important-announcement
Here Mihai speaks about the mechanisms behind the media attacks and who is behind them, he reveals a comprehensive structure that is fighting a dirty war in the attempt to eradicate the Truth! And If you haven’t read these articles by the guy from the Romanian secret services I also recommend them, they give an insight into the power structure and the lengths that the ‘powers that be’ will go to annihilate spirituality; http://www.mihaistoian.net/category/recent/new-secret-service-high-rank-officer-disclose-amazing-information-second-letter
http://www.mihaistoian.net/category/recent/new-the-shocking-revelations-of-a-member-of-the-secret-services
Good luck in your search for the truth!
Dave TS
Dear Mihai,
Thank you for your reply it has given me a completely different perspective and a lot of food for thought… If i understood correctly, the tests we face are complexed situations, and what is important is our attitude towards the test and how we deal with it when it comes! I see now that the same test for a group of people has different lessons and nuances for each person involved,as each person is at a different level or point in their evolution. And behind every test, no matter how difficult, is a mysterious spiritual treasure waiting to be found. This is very interesting,it makes me understand that our tests are an essential part of the intricate game of life and all we can do is face them with lucidity,integrity and courage. I will try to become much more attentive to the events of my life.. THANK YOU!!!
Isobel
Ce spunea Bivolaru se aplica acum.
http://2blackjack1.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/din-2011-vom-avea-carti-de-identitate-electronice/
http://2blackjack1.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/rusia-biometrica-de-la-cartela-electronica-universala-la-implantul-cu-cip/